Comments on: Modulus of Elasticity https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/ WOOD Fri, 29 Nov 2024 03:15:12 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Eric https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-23575 Fri, 29 Nov 2024 03:15:12 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-23575 In reply to Sara.

Yes and no. All my sources are listed in the Bibliography, but I don’t give sources for each individual species/data point in the book.

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By: Sara https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-23573 Thu, 28 Nov 2024 23:05:39 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-23573 do you have references for where you get your MOE data in your book?

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By: Stephen Pill https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-20155 Sat, 05 Aug 2023 11:18:37 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-20155 In reply to Russ Wilcox, ME.

It is indeed amazing that this should be so – truly a correct use of the word, rather than the ‘Amaaaazing’ that vocabulary-poor Americans (and now, and aping them, Europeans too) use to describe every observation they make that is on the positive side of neutral.

And it’s also amazing that Stradivarius and Guarnerius must have, without instruments, been able to appreciate the subtleties of this variation when selecting trees from which to make their violins.

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By: Christian Ademius-Kjellén https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-18417 Mon, 10 Oct 2022 19:28:00 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-18417 In reply to Eric.

That makes all the difference according to my knowledge in engineering. The instantaneous blow in force probably makes the MOR slightly more relevant. A lot of axe shafts rupture mainly due to grain run out in the shafts. So that is by definition a rupture that occurs. Which evidently has a much lower resistance to force when grains are not aligned as straight as possible from the bottom of the handle to the top of the axe head (eye). According to the science on Britannica https://www.britannica.com/science/wood-plant-tissue/Hygroscopicity the best measure of a woods strength is the density, but as you Eric point out in your book, it doesn’t correlate perfectly. Another site says best hammers and also best flexible hammers are those with low MOE and high MOR.
I think I will go for a madagascar rosewood (dalbergia baronii) for my 2-bladed wood splitter with about 40% more janka hardness than the strongest hickory and approx 15% higher resistance to rupture. Last but not least, it´ll look epic! :)

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By: Eric https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-18416 Mon, 10 Oct 2022 17:50:39 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-18416 In reply to Richard Clark.

Just note that in testing MOE, the load is applied gradually, so it doesn’t directly equate to something like a hammer blow or a swing from an axe. There are other, more specialized tests that are used to measure a wood’s impact resistance, which don’t always correlate strongly to its MOE.

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By: Richard Clark https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-18407 Sun, 09 Oct 2022 16:03:04 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-18407 In reply to Christian Ademius-Kjellén.

If there are any structural engineers on this thread, please chime in but, as I understand it, MOE is a good measure of a wood’s strength *relative* to other woods and would be a good place to narrow down woods choices for active applications like a hammer or axe handle. MOR is an *absolute* measure of a wood’s maximum load before failure and therefore would be a useful data point for wood to be used in building applications when used in conjunction with the MOE. Yellow pine would not be a suitable axe handle but it’s high strength combined with a high degree of plasticity makes it an excellent building material able to handle wind and snow loads while still returning to its original shape.

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By: Christian Ademius-Kjellén https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-18394 Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:23:45 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-18394 In reply to Richard Clark.

yes, I think I udnerstand it now. I had to discuss this with my mechanical engineer colleague. So basically the MOR starts counting once the material has gone from elastic to plastic. The MoE is the force measured just until plasticity, which as you say takes a higher force than the force to rupture the plasticity in the material.
So the question then is. Which one is the best measure for a woods true strength? For instance, if you want the strongest axe shaft to your large firewood splitter, should you go with a wood with higher MOE vs MOR or the other way around?

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By: Richard Clark https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-18390 Thu, 06 Oct 2022 02:35:03 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-18390 In reply to Christian Ademius-Kjellén.

I was also confused by this. The MOE is a measure of the amount a material changes shape is some dimension (be that stretching, compressing, or bending) under a stress that does not exceed the material’s elastic range (i.e. the point where the material won’t spring back to is original shape).

This produces a ratio (unlike the MOR which is a direct measure of the force necessary to produce failure) but the ratio is “hidden” because the units measuring the deformation are cancelled out in the equation.

To address your specific question, the MOE can be (and often is) bigger than the MOR if, for instance, the ratio of the deformation of a material to its original length is very small like 1/100 under a stress load of 10,000 ft-lb/in^2. This would give a MOE of 1,000,000 while it’s entirely imaginable that the material could have a MOR of 15,000.

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By: Christian Ademius-Kjellén https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-17564 Wed, 01 Jun 2022 18:25:04 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-17564 In reply to Carlos Riera.

What I find interesting is how the MOR can be lower than the MOE. How can you measure the elasticity of a wood if it will break before you see a bending? Look at the https://www.wood-database.com/rhodesian-teak/ for instance. The MOR occurs at a much much lower force than the MOE.
I will assume that I am misunderstanding something here.

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By: Corwyn Wilkins https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/modulus-of-elasticity/comment-page-1/#comment-17524 Fri, 27 May 2022 06:12:11 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9072#comment-17524 In reply to Robert Tennessee.

In either case you’d want to stay well within your outer limits. Module of rupture is useful to know as well. That’s the point at which you’d get fracturing in the grain. With a canoe working within the modulus of rupture would be fine since it will remain in the same shape. Module of rupture doesn’t account for fatigue though. Bend a board to much and it may not break but it won’t necessarily spring back to its original shape. So with a bow modulus of elasticity is what you’re looking for since that’s the limit you can bend it and have it return to form. Laminations can increase this obviously. Ash or hickory is good for a bow. Yew if you can find it.

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