Comments on: Bow Woods https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/ WOOD Tue, 19 Nov 2024 21:35:36 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Jerik https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-2/#comment-23496 Tue, 19 Nov 2024 21:35:36 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-23496 In reply to Toney.

From what I can tell, design also plays a crucial role. Bow wood like Osage Orange and Yew with a high rated index can be narrower and thicker, more like classic English bows, while low rated woods need to have wider, thinner, longer designs implemented to compensate for a low index. At least that is my understanding, that you can make bows from lower scoring woods but the design needs to be modified accordingly to compensate and as such have potential with those design considerations to preform similarly to other “classic” bow woods.

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By: Toney https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-2/#comment-22841 Thu, 29 Aug 2024 13:32:19 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-22841 All fine and good, and really interesting BUT, I’m a simple man looking for a simple answer. Based on THIS index am I to assume the higher the number the better the wood for bow making? I noticed that Osage Orange and two varieties of Yew were pretty high on the index which lead me to that assumption. Is that reasonably accurate?

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By: Ole Jørgen https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-2/#comment-21680 Fri, 22 Mar 2024 20:30:27 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-21680 Thank you to the author for doing this research and making it available for us mere mortals.
I’d suggest evaluating the mechanical properties of the heartwood versus sapwood, in species of wood where the properties differ.
I assume the Compression side of the limb needs more compression strength.

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By: Dave Gerty https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-2/#comment-20855 Sun, 24 Dec 2023 19:51:07 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-20855 In reply to Dave Gerty.

There is a typo in my spreadsheet in the fling speed numbers. The SI unit for density was inadvertently left in place when I tried to replaced it the imperial pounds per cubic foot. All of the fling speed numbers are wrong. For the heavier woods, the error is small, but for the high and low density materials the errors are proportionally larger.

The correct numbers are:
Wood Species . . self-fling speed v
Yew . . . . . . . . . 141
Osage orange .. 133
Brazil wood . . .. 142
Madagascar
Rosewood . . . . . 164
Balsa . . . . . . . . . 86
S-glass . . . . . . . 586
Carbon . . . . . . . 256
C-350 Steel . . . . 197
b-C, Ti Gr 19 . . . 179
Ti Gr. 5*  . . . . . . 120
Al 7068* . . . . . . 163

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By: Dave Gerty https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-2/#comment-20839 Wed, 20 Dec 2023 22:25:25 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-20839 Eric, thanks for a large helping of food for thought. I have been chewing on this off and on for years. As I search the web for more information, I find a lot of sites referring back here to Eric’s Bow Index. Eric, you made your mark. I am not an archer either, I was a materials engineer by trade, so this is interesting, but I’ll never build a bow.

The bow index, 1000*(MOR/MOE) is 10 times the strain to failure as expressed in percentages. In other words, MOR/MOE is the strain to failure. So the index is a mechanical property with the decimal point in a strange place. The reciprocal, MOE/MOR is the minimum bend radius of a 2×2″ rectangular bar, which turned out to be interesting, but no better. I tried normalizing cross sections to compare various woods to yew, looking for a constant stiffness for different woods. Taking a 1″ square cross section yew stick as a baseline I looked at the different widths and thicknesses to get the same stiffness, and compared the weights. I made lots of numbers, but no real improvement. 

I think the parameter that I was missing was speed of cast which was posted here by John 2 years ago. I will disagree with John’s use of fatigue strength for the metals. Fatigue strength is the load for 10,000,000 cycles without a failure. No one shoots that often. At worst, a bow is subject to low cycle fatigue, say a few million cycles. I added his equation to my table using metals at their yield strength, which is still much more conservative than the MOR for woods. The weirdly interesting number that dropped out was the speed of cast for a balsa wood bow, 222 fps. I think that is where you have to start looking at the toughness and other properties. It may be that the balsa bow can fire an arrow very fast, once.

I uploaded an image of my spreadsheet. The formulas are in the bottom row. The upper left corner was cell C2 and the equations are in row 16. If anyone wants to play with these, Row 16 copied and pasted look like this and these equations can be pasted into excel in the 16th row of a spreadsheet.
*yield strength input data D16 input E16 input F16 =E16/D16 =D16/1320000 =H16^0.333 =1/I16 =1/H16 =J16*F16/0.65 =F16*K16/0.65 =1/G16 =J16/G16 =68.07*E16/(D16*F16*R16)^0.5 =F16/0.65 =F16*2.54^3*1728/454

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By: Jackon https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-2/#comment-20298 Tue, 05 Sep 2023 15:33:12 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-20298 Ive made a small recurve bow that is twisted spring steel rods as the core and pvc backing and i used high copper or brass alloy wire to wrap it with. So pvc =, horn. Spring steel rods= core. Wire = sinew. It shoots very fast and power ful and is hard to string alone even tho its only 18 inches or sometime. 9560 steel can bend 90 degrees and spring back with out being deformed. That would be the ultimate bow material i believe.

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By: Dan https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-1/#comment-20276 Sun, 03 Sep 2023 00:36:44 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-20276 In reply to Eric.

Thanks….it’s pretty wood…I run across them occasionally in GA but haven’t chopped one down yet.

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By: Eric https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-1/#comment-20247 Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:50:28 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-20247 In reply to Dan.

Other than MOE, I’ve never been able to find any mechanical data on Gingko. It’s a fairly light wood so in general I’d guess it would rate fairly low on the list. https://www.wood-database.com/ginkgo/

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By: Dan https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-1/#comment-20246 Tue, 29 Aug 2023 01:15:28 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-20246 How does Gingko rate?…it’s not on the list.

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By: Fabian Reeves Whymark https://www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/bow-woods/comment-page-1/#comment-19702 Sat, 13 May 2023 18:52:29 +0000 http://www.wood-database.com/?page_id=9939#comment-19702 In reply to JOHN COLLEY.

Before the Europeans arrived they were so advanced that they managed the land perfectly, they actually used/use an array of advanced hunting techniques, tools and knowledge that surpass most other indigenous peoples’. This is where boomerangs came from, the kind of spears you see in aboriginal culture are more than enough. What people don’t realise is that most things in Australia that would need hunting with a bow and arrow were introduced by the European settlers, who brought guns too.
The entire way of life basically changed over just few decades, what we see is just remnants from very advanced indigenous cultures that were persecuted heavily. They actually had/have staple food sources otherwise in the form of large root tubas and other plants, so meat would always have been for nutrition moreso, nothing that big and nothing that needed anything better than a very advanced spear.
The Aborinal knowledge of the land, plants and animals and the sophistication within that is absolutely incredible, medicinal values of plants etc. I think they’d have had the bow and arrow if they needed it but the inventory of spears, slingshots and throwing tools gave them more than enough. There are some unique hunting tools that suit the environment perfectly, usually with multiple uses for travelling light.
We still don’t know what was lost through sheer ignorance and persecution, we simply don’t know quite how advanced they were but they certainly still are very sophisticated, you can just see how strong their connection is to the land if you look into it, very interesting and important culture that I’d never describe as undeveloped, I have a lot of respect for them and I think the modern World could still learn a lot from them and other indigenous people’s from around the World.

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